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		<title>Comment on Recommended read:  The Predictioneer&#8217;s Game by Michael Conklin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Conklin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2010 20:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi David - Game Theory has been applied to interactions between sellers and consumers, that is what the use of Shapley Value is all about. Granted, this is what is known in Game Theory as a &quot;simple game&quot;, where I win the consumer if I have at least one of their acceptable products on the shelf, but it does provide a lot of insights in that context. No negotiation between parties to be sure, but Game Theory, none the less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David &#8211; Game Theory has been applied to interactions between sellers and consumers, that is what the use of Shapley Value is all about. Granted, this is what is known in Game Theory as a &#8220;simple game&#8221;, where I win the consumer if I have at least one of their acceptable products on the shelf, but it does provide a lot of insights in that context. No negotiation between parties to be sure, but Game Theory, none the less.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Recommended read:  Seizing the White Space by Jeff Hazel</title>
		<link>http://davidgbakken.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/recommended-read-seizing-the-white-space/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Hazel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seizing the white space applies across multiple sectors. One current example: mobile phone operators taking fresh look at &quot;prepaid&quot; customers. Once stereotyped as high risk/low value (throwaway phones) prepaids now include former subscriber-based customers hit by the econ downturn. They&#039;ll help drive customer base 200% higher to 72M by 2013 per IDC research. But they&#039;re &quot;not your father&#039;s&quot; prepaid-- while they&#039;re looking for a good deal, they bring with them a taste for high-margin data servcies + set pattern of high service expectations. Result: more mobile co&#039;s embracing analytics to better understand this changing market, step up from historic focus on &quot;basic service&quot; &amp; ensure superior experience targeting new, growing field of high value customers.

http://www.convergys.com/pdf/ES3-025N.pdf?TRID=1

Jeff Hazel
Director, Convergys Corporation]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seizing the white space applies across multiple sectors. One current example: mobile phone operators taking fresh look at &#8220;prepaid&#8221; customers. Once stereotyped as high risk/low value (throwaway phones) prepaids now include former subscriber-based customers hit by the econ downturn. They&#8217;ll help drive customer base 200% higher to 72M by 2013 per IDC research. But they&#8217;re &#8220;not your father&#8217;s&#8221; prepaid&#8211; while they&#8217;re looking for a good deal, they bring with them a taste for high-margin data servcies + set pattern of high service expectations. Result: more mobile co&#8217;s embracing analytics to better understand this changing market, step up from historic focus on &#8220;basic service&#8221; &amp; ensure superior experience targeting new, growing field of high value customers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.convergys.com/pdf/ES3-025N.pdf?TRID=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.convergys.com/pdf/ES3-025N.pdf?TRID=1</a></p>
<p>Jeff Hazel<br />
Director, Convergys Corporation</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who knows what happiness lurks in the hearts of men?  Facebook knows. by Don Peppers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Peppers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting.  &quot;Sentiment analysis&quot; is a burgeoning new field for social media.  I once met in Bentonville with some Wal-Mart execs who told me Wal-Mart&#039;s operations were so spread out across the nation, and so quickly reported to HQ, that they could predict economic upturns and downturns faster than the government could.  My guess is social media will provide the same kind of feedback on our society, giving us information about our &quot;state of mind&quot; and about the public mood way before the pollsters can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  &#8220;Sentiment analysis&#8221; is a burgeoning new field for social media.  I once met in Bentonville with some Wal-Mart execs who told me Wal-Mart&#8217;s operations were so spread out across the nation, and so quickly reported to HQ, that they could predict economic upturns and downturns faster than the government could.  My guess is social media will provide the same kind of feedback on our society, giving us information about our &#8220;state of mind&#8221; and about the public mood way before the pollsters can.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Beware the Marketing &#8220;Retrospectograph.&#8221; by Ajay</title>
		<link>http://davidgbakken.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/beware-the-marketing-retrospectograph/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ajay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 05:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David

This is so true but equally so difficult to change on the ground. The marketer is constantly grappling with the contradictions of needing to act with &quot;speed&quot; and not having all the &quot;data&quot; to make the correct choices. He therefore relies on intuition and justifies it to managment later. An interesting thing is happening in the Indian Telecom market! All telecom companies put together are acquiring between 11 to 15 million new customers per month. But most telecom operators are just feeding a frenzy of downward spiralling ARPUs! With telecom companies capturing so much transactional data, I wonder if there is another, rational and more effective way to market-sell more services to existing customers rather than continue the rush to purely build acquisition scale. I have some thoughts on this at my blog:

http://blog.cequitysolutions.com/Customer-Management-blog/bid/9943/Making-the-data-talk-in-Telecom

I would love to have your comments!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>This is so true but equally so difficult to change on the ground. The marketer is constantly grappling with the contradictions of needing to act with &#8220;speed&#8221; and not having all the &#8220;data&#8221; to make the correct choices. He therefore relies on intuition and justifies it to managment later. An interesting thing is happening in the Indian Telecom market! All telecom companies put together are acquiring between 11 to 15 million new customers per month. But most telecom operators are just feeding a frenzy of downward spiralling ARPUs! With telecom companies capturing so much transactional data, I wonder if there is another, rational and more effective way to market-sell more services to existing customers rather than continue the rush to purely build acquisition scale. I have some thoughts on this at my blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.cequitysolutions.com/Customer-Management-blog/bid/9943/Making-the-data-talk-in-Telecom" rel="nofollow">http://blog.cequitysolutions.com/Customer-Management-blog/bid/9943/Making-the-data-talk-in-Telecom</a></p>
<p>I would love to have your comments!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analytics Ascendant, Part 2: The Limits of Predictive Modeling by Steve Cohen</title>
		<link>http://davidgbakken.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/analytics-ascendant-part-2-the-limits-of-predictive-modeling/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Cohen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny you should mention Bayesian methods in this context.  We have been making extensive use of the upper  model of a Bayesian hierarchical specification and we call it &quot;The why? behind the what?&quot;

By putting the right items in the upper model, you can go pretty far in explaining why you have observed the results that you have.

So instead of just being a model that predicts well in-sample, we can use the upper model to explain additional variation AND we can use the upper-lower relationship to predict how a new sample of people will respond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you should mention Bayesian methods in this context.  We have been making extensive use of the upper  model of a Bayesian hierarchical specification and we call it &#8220;The why? behind the what?&#8221;</p>
<p>By putting the right items in the upper model, you can go pretty far in explaining why you have observed the results that you have.</p>
<p>So instead of just being a model that predicts well in-sample, we can use the upper model to explain additional variation AND we can use the upper-lower relationship to predict how a new sample of people will respond.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analytics Ascendant:  Will Predictive Modeling Replace All Other Ways of &#8220;Knowing&#8221; Customers? by dgbakken</title>
		<link>http://davidgbakken.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/analytics-ascendant-will-predictive-modeling-replace-all-other-ways-of-knowing-customers/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dgbakken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You make two really good points.  In my experience as well, the implicit models of managers can be very wrong, and the results of modeling exercises have often exposed the weaknesses of these naive or implicit models of buyer behavior.  However, I think the nuance to &quot;understanding&quot; that I am after is more than just better anticipation (or prediction) of an outcome, as important as that is.  I want to be able to test the validity of different causal mechanisms, which is the sense in which I&#039;ve been using &quot;knowledge&quot; and &quot;understanding&quot; in my posts.  

Perhaps because I was trained in an experimental discipline, I tend to care about whether A caused B or both are caused by C.  From the standpoint of action, this distinction may or may not be important.  If I observe that some mold growing in my bacterial cultures is killing the bacteria, I may be able to devise an effective antibiotic treatment without understanding the mechanism of action.  Understanding the mechanism of action, however, may make it easier to find other substances that are equally effective, or to even invent compounds from scratch that will have anti-bacterial properties.

Most, if not all, predictive models start with some idea, whether implicit or explicit, about the underlying mechanism relating the independent and dependent variables.  Cinematch and other collaborative filtering systems are based on a &quot;similarity&quot; mechanism.  The data that Netflix provided for the prize competition do not facilitate extensive exploration of other possible mechanisms.  This becomes a potential limitation if I&#039;m not satisfied with the films that Netflix recommends because my movie enjoyment is caused by factors that are not captured in similarity.  On the other hand, if the similarity assumption captures the underlying mechanism (A and B both caused by C, which is unobserved but reflected in A and B), then it probably won&#039;t be a practical problem for Netflix.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make two really good points.  In my experience as well, the implicit models of managers can be very wrong, and the results of modeling exercises have often exposed the weaknesses of these naive or implicit models of buyer behavior.  However, I think the nuance to &#8220;understanding&#8221; that I am after is more than just better anticipation (or prediction) of an outcome, as important as that is.  I want to be able to test the validity of different causal mechanisms, which is the sense in which I&#8217;ve been using &#8220;knowledge&#8221; and &#8220;understanding&#8221; in my posts.  </p>
<p>Perhaps because I was trained in an experimental discipline, I tend to care about whether A caused B or both are caused by C.  From the standpoint of action, this distinction may or may not be important.  If I observe that some mold growing in my bacterial cultures is killing the bacteria, I may be able to devise an effective antibiotic treatment without understanding the mechanism of action.  Understanding the mechanism of action, however, may make it easier to find other substances that are equally effective, or to even invent compounds from scratch that will have anti-bacterial properties.</p>
<p>Most, if not all, predictive models start with some idea, whether implicit or explicit, about the underlying mechanism relating the independent and dependent variables.  Cinematch and other collaborative filtering systems are based on a &#8220;similarity&#8221; mechanism.  The data that Netflix provided for the prize competition do not facilitate extensive exploration of other possible mechanisms.  This becomes a potential limitation if I&#8217;m not satisfied with the films that Netflix recommends because my movie enjoyment is caused by factors that are not captured in similarity.  On the other hand, if the similarity assumption captures the underlying mechanism (A and B both caused by C, which is unobserved but reflected in A and B), then it probably won&#8217;t be a practical problem for Netflix.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Analytics Ascendant:  Will Predictive Modeling Replace All Other Ways of &#8220;Knowing&#8221; Customers? by Will Dwinnell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Will Dwinnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In my view, predictive models can be powerful business tools, but they have the potential to lead us into a false belief that because we can predict something on the basis of mathematical relationships, we understand what we’re predicting.&quot;

This question revolves about the nuanced meaning of &quot;understanding&quot;.  I estimate that, of all the times that my analytical results have been challenged by disbelieving business people based on their experience in an industry, their rules of thumb were subsequently demonstrated to be preposterously wrong (most of the other half was a question of different definitions, etc.).  Those business people certainly were comfortable thinking that they understood their business or market, but it is plain that they were mistaken.  For may part, I would only claim to &quot;understand&quot; the situations in question to the extent that I could do a better job of anticipating their outcome.


&quot;We might also lapse into an expectation that “prediction” based on past behavior is in fact destiny.  We need to remind our selves that correlation or association is a necessary but not a sufficient condition to show a causal relationship.&quot;

I submit that this is a separate issue entirely.  I think the hand-wringing which stems from the correlation-vs-causation issue is misplaced.  If I discover a relationship between measured events A and B, in which knowledge of A (which is available to me ahead of time) imparts some knowledge of B (which is of some practical interest), then, assuming that the relationship continues to hold for the population of interest, I do not care whether A &quot;caused&quot; B, or some third event C &quot;caused&quot; both A and B, or something else entirely is going on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my view, predictive models can be powerful business tools, but they have the potential to lead us into a false belief that because we can predict something on the basis of mathematical relationships, we understand what we’re predicting.&#8221;</p>
<p>This question revolves about the nuanced meaning of &#8220;understanding&#8221;.  I estimate that, of all the times that my analytical results have been challenged by disbelieving business people based on their experience in an industry, their rules of thumb were subsequently demonstrated to be preposterously wrong (most of the other half was a question of different definitions, etc.).  Those business people certainly were comfortable thinking that they understood their business or market, but it is plain that they were mistaken.  For may part, I would only claim to &#8220;understand&#8221; the situations in question to the extent that I could do a better job of anticipating their outcome.</p>
<p>&#8220;We might also lapse into an expectation that “prediction” based on past behavior is in fact destiny.  We need to remind our selves that correlation or association is a necessary but not a sufficient condition to show a causal relationship.&#8221;</p>
<p>I submit that this is a separate issue entirely.  I think the hand-wringing which stems from the correlation-vs-causation issue is misplaced.  If I discover a relationship between measured events A and B, in which knowledge of A (which is available to me ahead of time) imparts some knowledge of B (which is of some practical interest), then, assuming that the relationship continues to hold for the population of interest, I do not care whether A &#8220;caused&#8221; B, or some third event C &#8220;caused&#8221; both A and B, or something else entirely is going on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Book review:  buy-ology:  Truth and Lies About Why We Buy by Don Peppers</title>
		<link>http://davidgbakken.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/book-review-buy-ology-truth-and-lies-about-why-we-buy/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Peppers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for a terrific and well-argued review of Martin Lindstrom&#039;s book.  I know Martin, somewhat, from my several years living in London.  He is a genuinely likable marketing guy, but like many Britons in the marketing world, I think Martin has imbibed a little too much &quot;brand Kool-Aid.&quot;  Brands are certainly important, but they are only one &quot;mental model&quot; for understanding how people are persuaded to buy things or do things.  And in the modern world of direct, company-to-customer interactions, when each interaction can be tailored to individual differences, this mental model of marketing is less and less relevant.

It&#039;s a pity Mr. Lindstrom&#039;s research didn&#039;t provide more fodder for analysis.  But your review of his book was truly useful, VERY even-handed, and a nice read all by itself, so thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a terrific and well-argued review of Martin Lindstrom&#8217;s book.  I know Martin, somewhat, from my several years living in London.  He is a genuinely likable marketing guy, but like many Britons in the marketing world, I think Martin has imbibed a little too much &#8220;brand Kool-Aid.&#8221;  Brands are certainly important, but they are only one &#8220;mental model&#8221; for understanding how people are persuaded to buy things or do things.  And in the modern world of direct, company-to-customer interactions, when each interaction can be tailored to individual differences, this mental model of marketing is less and less relevant.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pity Mr. Lindstrom&#8217;s research didn&#8217;t provide more fodder for analysis.  But your review of his book was truly useful, VERY even-handed, and a nice read all by itself, so thanks!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Path to Customer Knowledge by Dale Paulson, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale Paulson, Ph.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You and Mike Lotti offer a good definition of customer knowledge: “The understanding of customer motivations, attitudes, perceptions, and experiences such that we can predict customer behavior.”  In other words, customer “knowledge” really represents our “theory of the customer.”

I agree that theory-building is worthwhile. If we understand the customer better we can make a number of useful generalizations. For example we already know that people are motivated by perceived scarcity and the desire to appear consistent, social proof and a number of there “tendencies.” 

I have taken a different tact by using context-drive qualitative research. This assumes that each purchasing scenario is unique and that “context” is or particular importance. I develop a series of pictographs to get respondents to explain their purchasing behavior in a specific situation. I don’t ask questions, rather, I allow the respondent to tell their story.

I admit that this is not directed at theory building. The only theory involved is that this can be considered an extension of Thematic Apperception Testing and that comes from psycho-analytics not marketing theory. Nevertheless, I find adding context useful. See: http;//beyondfocusgroups.blogspot.com. 

Dale Paulson, Ph.D.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and Mike Lotti offer a good definition of customer knowledge: “The understanding of customer motivations, attitudes, perceptions, and experiences such that we can predict customer behavior.”  In other words, customer “knowledge” really represents our “theory of the customer.”</p>
<p>I agree that theory-building is worthwhile. If we understand the customer better we can make a number of useful generalizations. For example we already know that people are motivated by perceived scarcity and the desire to appear consistent, social proof and a number of there “tendencies.” </p>
<p>I have taken a different tact by using context-drive qualitative research. This assumes that each purchasing scenario is unique and that “context” is or particular importance. I develop a series of pictographs to get respondents to explain their purchasing behavior in a specific situation. I don’t ask questions, rather, I allow the respondent to tell their story.</p>
<p>I admit that this is not directed at theory building. The only theory involved is that this can be considered an extension of Thematic Apperception Testing and that comes from psycho-analytics not marketing theory. Nevertheless, I find adding context useful. See: http;//beyondfocusgroups.blogspot.com. </p>
<p>Dale Paulson, Ph.D.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I can&#8217;t tell you what &#8220;insight&#8221; looks like, but I&#8217;ll know it when I see it by Jim Quilty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Quilty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,

Very &quot;insightful&quot; observation, and it teaches a very simple and powerful lesson.  We must constantly evaluate what goal we are trying to accomplish, and how we are trying to accomplish that goal.  Assessing what we know, and what we do not know, are critical first steps that will help us decide what further data is necessary in the context of a business problem (very important - gets back to the goal). From there, we can apply analysis to help transform our findings into actionable insights.  Keep up the great posts.

jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Very &#8220;insightful&#8221; observation, and it teaches a very simple and powerful lesson.  We must constantly evaluate what goal we are trying to accomplish, and how we are trying to accomplish that goal.  Assessing what we know, and what we do not know, are critical first steps that will help us decide what further data is necessary in the context of a business problem (very important &#8211; gets back to the goal). From there, we can apply analysis to help transform our findings into actionable insights.  Keep up the great posts.</p>
<p>jim</p>
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